Edith Chong Pei See: A Thief?

Tuesday, 12 May 2015

Some readers share my recipes on their blogs, such as here, here and here. The bloggers in these examples rewrite the instructions, in their own words. I am flattered and happy that they share my recipes with their readers.

Sadly, not all bloggers are honest. Some people just copy and paste from my blog.

Copying word for word, or almost word for word, is an infringement of copyright, even when the original author is credited. If it weren't, we can all upload best selling books and make loads of money, right?

When I find unscrupulous bloggers who steal my posts, I leave this message on their blog:
Dear Thief

Copying and pasting from my blog is an infringement of copyright. Delete the text you have stolen, you despicable, low-down thief!
When the thieves get the message, all of them delete not only the stolen text but their entire post. There is, however, one exception: Edith Chong Pei See.

Edith Chong Pei See has an old blog, Precious Moments, and a current blog, Rumbling Tummy. The latter has this message, in red, on its home page:



SO CALLED stolen recipes? So the recipes on Precious Moments aren't REALLY stolen?

I am the blogger Rumbling Tummy refers to. Let me set the record straight.

Here is what's published on my post for sambal udang:
Cut dried chillies, red chillies, shallots and buah keras into small pieces. Pound or grind till smooth. Fry in vegetable oil over medium-low to low heat till medium brown. Add belachan and stir through. Add sugar, salt and tamarind water. Simmer till thick and oil separates. Add prawns and heat till just cooked, stirring and turning as necessary to cook evenly . . . . Taste and adjust seasoning if necessary.
This is a screenshot of what's on Precious Moments on 6 May 2015, before it's edited:



Precious Moments' text is the same as mine, word for word. That's a flagrant violation of copyright.

Edith Chong Pei See copied another recipe, dry chicken curry, almost word for word. This is a screenshot of the recipe on Precious Moments as on 6 May 2015, before it's edited:




Using my writing without my permission is stealing. If a person steals, she's a thief. If she's a thief, she's pond scum. Don't you agree?

Have you also had stuff stolen from your blog? Are you also a victim of copyright violation? What do you do? Do you just grin and bear it?

48 comments:

WendyinKK said...

Hi KT,
Edith have copied and pasted from your blog, and credited you.
Unfortunately, many do not know it is not the proper practice. Many do think, as long as it's credited it's fine.
I myself have seen this many times, and it happens to me as well.

I think it's unfair to her, that you only show the unedited shots and keep on calling her whatever you like. Where are the edited screen shots then? If she has edited them, just like how your other readers have done so, then stop all this, you have achieved what you wanted.

Unless you want to push her to delete it, just like how others are so FEARFUL of you, because those bloggers know how far you can go with your language, even though it's just a small matter that can be easily resolved. It's not that she took your pictures and write up and called it as hers.

But no matter what, things can be resolved in a nicer manner other than calling people names. She is human, my fellow blogger friend and nope, I don't agree that she is pond scum.

Ponds that have scum smell foul, like someone who didn't brush teeth in the morning.

Asiaruth said...

What do you do? Maybe i would have grumble about it. If only one had ask for permission than it would been more pleasant. KT Do not take it too hard understand your disappointment. I do not know you as a person or anyone of the above . but KT i have tried more than a few of your recipes and have much success on it . Good , flavorful food and easy . Thank you for all that you have taught on your blog . Going to try making the Steam Yam this week end .

Domenico said...

No, come on! She's not a thief. It's you who are too susceptible and easy to anger. That girl surely copied and pasted your recipe as it was but she also credited you. It's not copyright infringement since the original author was quoted. Then, aside all the story,I don't think she deserve to be called in such disrespectful ways (and I think no one should be called like that..may they be thieves or killers)..

A blog is a place of sharing. It's normal that it might happen to find people who completely repost your posts, but as soon as they don't claim it as theirs and they cite the author, so there's no copyright violation.
I think that, as a blogger, it's an assumption that you should be conscious of since from the start.


As your follower since from the first posts, i suggest you to delete this post and forget it all, because it makes you appear even merciless than what you already appear from your usual responses to follower's comments;
Don't get me wrong.
I love your recipe, i love the way you explain them, but i don't like the way you always make feel people unwelcome here.
A blog is a mean of sharing (which imply joy), not a mean to vent all your frustration again those poor people who comment it.

lena said...

dear KT,
with due respect, i tend to disagree with you calling edith chong, 'pond scum'. From what i understand, edith has already rewrittten the instructions on the recipe as per your request but you still continue to humiliate and embarrass her publicly. This episode has made many people aware of the copyrights in your blog ..but i still think need not to be so harsh and mean and need not call people names. take care.

pat said...

Truly disgusted. I love your recipes and I'm sure a lot of your readers too. You are generous to share your recipes but these THIEVES should not steal them and pretend it's theirs!

KT said...

1) "Where are the edited screen shots then?"
The edited post is on Precious Moments. I am sure you can find your way there.

2) In addition to Precious Moments' current edition, here's a screenshot of Precious Moments as on 8 May:



http://s302.photobucket.com/user/daffdaffdaff/media/2015/thief/edith-chong-thief-8-may-E.jpg.html

Edith Chong hasn't rewritten my recipe. She's merely paraphrased it. Paraphrasing is still plagiarism. Plagiarism is copyright violation.

3) "It's just a small matter . . . . It's not that she took your pictures and write up and called it as hers."
I love attending to small matters, such as copying all of your posts and putting them on my blog. You're OK with that so long as I stick your name on the posts. Yes? Or no?

4) "She is human, my fellow blogger friend and nope, I don't agree that she is pond scum."
So you think Edith Chong is a thief. You just don't think she's pond scum.

KT said...

1) "Where are the edited screen shots then?"
The edited post is on Precious Moments. I am sure you can find your way there.

2) In addition to Precious Moments' current edition, here's a screenshot of Precious Moments as on 8 May: http://s302.photobucket.com/user/daffdaffdaff/media/2015/thief/edith-chong-thief-8-may-E.jpg.html

Edith Chong hasn't rewritten my recipe. She's merely paraphrased it. Paraphrasing is still plagiarism. Plagiarism is copyright violation.

3) "It's just a small matter . . . . It's not that she took your pictures and write up and called it as hers."
I love attending to small matters, such as copying all of your posts and putting them on my blog. You're OK with that so long as I stick your name on the posts. Yes? Or no?

4) "She is human, my fellow blogger friend and nope, I don't agree that she is pond scum."
So you think Edith Chong is a thief. You just don't think she's pond scum.

pat said...

Honestly I don't think any food blogger should copy and paste wholesale from other blogger to their own blog. If she likes the recipe she should rewrite in her own words and not cut and paste no effort made. KT took the effort to write her own recipe if I were her I would be upset too that another person just wholesale everything n post it on her blog.

Mrs O said...

aiya, it is plagiarism le. So rampant, I thought it only happens in Malaysia.

CH said...

Wow! Such great details but won't it be nice if you are graceful enough and just forget about the whole issue?
You may have been very pissed and wants to get to the bottom of this but have you ever considered that someone else would scrutinize your blog and pick the slightest mistake in it and nail you big time?

KT said...

1) You must be new to my blog? Regular readers all know I am NOT nice. 2) I assure you Edith Chong has been scrutinizing my blog. If she finds something to "nail" me, I'm sure she'll let you and everyone else know, pronto.

Annielicious Food said...

Hello KT,

I refer to your statement "Rephrasing is still plagiarism". The word "plagiarism" act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author.

I recon Edith did credit you right at the beginning. If Edith's copy and paste action is purely intentional, then, I couldn't understand why would she care to do editing at the later part.
No. I don't agree with you calling Edith pond scum, lowlife nor thief. On a side note, I did watch your video guide on youtube before. You cared to share your knowledge with others. We all know things can be sorted out in a nice manner. Unless you loved to live in such a life that is full of hatred.

Annielicious Food said...

Hello KT,
I refer to your statement "Rephrasing is still plagiarism". The word "plagiarism" is an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author.
I recon Edith did credit you right at the beginning. If Edith's copy and paste action is purely intentional as what you mentioned, then, I couldn't understand why would Edith care to do editing at the later part. And no. I don't agree with you calling Edith or any other bloggers pond scum, lowlife nor thief.

On a side note, I did watched your video guide before. You cared to share your knowledge with others. I believe every single person in this world is unique. We are all woman, uniquely different from one another. But we all have gracious heart. We knew things can be sorted out in a nice manner. Unless you loved to live in such a life that is full of hatred. And yes, I've seen some women's' loved to live in such hatred life, victimized themselves, and they enjoyed it.

Asiaruth said...

Hope you are feeling better today.☺. And it is wrong to take your material and use like it's their own. I am impressed by your reply about how one can do to stop anyone using our material. Please contiune to feed us your good food .

KT said...

Seems perfectly clear to me. What Click & Copyright says doesn't contradict anything I say in this post. What's confusing you?

anonymois said...

Can't it be argued that Edith's cutting and pasting of your work fall under the purview of fair use, as in for reviewing and instructing purposes?
Truth is this C and P practice is commonplace on the internet. I guess many of us are unintentionally breaking the copyright law then....[slowly slinks off]

PS. While the debate rages on, please don't let it keep you from posting more sedap recipes....

Teong Sit said...

Dear KT,
As a lawyer, I think you are absolutely right. What Edith did was a clear breach of copyright whether she credited you or otherwise. The only exception would have been if she had your prior consent.
Acts of copyright breach are despicable and should be seen in the worst light. They dilute the efforts of those original authors of which we all benefit.
So, please keep on blogging and entertaining us with your interesting comments and recipes.

adrian miranda said...

As a lecturer I think I am pretty qualified to say plagiarism and copyright infringement is wrong no matter what excuse you give or how much ignorance you feign.

To then write a convoluted explanation to justify your ignorance and demolish your own reasoning in the end is not only foolish, it shows downright intent to deceive.

To them claim being a victim of cyber-bullying is as nonsensical as blaming a dog for biting you after poke its eye as it was sleeping calling the dog a vicious animal.

Please…….. If anyone wants to have an online presence, post articles for public viewership and gain a following….. KNOW THE RULES!

Though I must admit these days it could be an outdated benchmark since the IDA has proclaimed ignorance of the law is acceptable defence of a crime.

BTW, KT, you rock.

Teuksora said...

Ah this blog! She got into trouble with many bloggers before due to her attitude. Her blog used to be preciousmoments something and she changed it several times so I'm not surprised her name appears here. Sorry to hear about what you went through! As a seasoned blogger herself who puts copyscape warnings all over her blog, I'm appalled she didn't know better. Not giving credits is NOT OK.

KT said...

1) Edith Chong's only evaluation of the sambal udang recipe in question is: "Well, this still can't beat my mother in law's." That is
NOT a review by any stretch of the imagination. As for the dry chicken curry recipe, she says "hubby felt that it is okay". That, again, is NOT a review.

2) Even if Edith Chong had provided a critical review of the recipes in
question, she still doesn't have the right to copy and paste the recipes
in their entirety. If she did, all movie reviewers would have the right
to show the movies they review, from beginning to end.

3) Invoking teaching as a reason for fair use means Edith Chong may use a paragraph or two from my blog to teach, say, English grammar. Unfortunately, she doesn't teach grammar. She teaches what I teach, which is cooking. And she teaches for monetary gains since there are advertisements on Precious Moments. My blog has ads as well, so we are business competitors. Can you imagine Jamie Oliver getting away with copying one paragraph from Gordon Ramsay because he needs teaching material?

3) Points 1-3 notwithstanding, it is actually irrelevant whether Edith
Chong is teaching or reviewing the two recipes in question. Why? Because recipes are NOT COPYRIGHTABLE. Note that in my "Dear Thief" message, I do not say "Delete the RECIPE you have stolen". Instead, I say "Delete the TEXT you have stolen". That's because the thing stolen isn't the recipe but the writing. The recipe (which is not copyrightable) and its written record (which is copyrightable) are two different things. If Edith Chong wants to teach or review my recipes, she has the right to do so. However, she has to do it without plagiarising my written records of the recipes.

Jasmine Riccardi said...

Dear KT, i'm not an expert about internet and its rules, but i trust you because you have such a knowledge of the culinary art, that i'm sure you're not going to copy from anybody (sometimes you can get a little rude with your answers but that's another topic. ;-). Anyway, i think each country has its own laws, so if you're in one that protect copyright, i think you should sue her. Keep us updated. Best regards

May W said...

She's a disgusting shameless thief who has the audacity to accuse you of plagiarism when it's so blatantly obvious that she's the one doing the stealing! No wonder she had to change her blog name. I believe in you KT! I've followed your youtube/ blog for years and I really admire your culinary skill!

Zihong Hu said...

Dear KT: Having tried to make home-made desserts so many years, I'm glad to recently found your link from YouTube. You're really great to share your culinary skill selfishly that you gained through many times of failure which I never found from other links. It really helps me a lot to improve my skill and encouraged me to try on my own some Chinese food I love. Keep going!

Adelynn Chan said...

Hi KT, I am using a 25in pan. Can I just adjust the measurement accordingly?

anoonymous said...

Edith C, so Rumbling Tummy is actually by Edith of Precious Moments?
LOL. My first bloggers gathering with her back in 2005 or 2006 was hilarious!
She yelled at another blogger who took a bag otah which her friend had brought along to the gathering. We were so scared that there would be a cat fight over the otah. Not that she was wrong but the incident could have been better handled instead of yelling in the presence of so many people.

KT said...

(1) Your batter wasn't evenly mixed before it was transferred into the cake pan. (2) Did you bake the batter once it was ready? Did you preheat the oven fully? If you didn't, the uneven mixing would have worsened as the batter sits in the pan.

Teuksora said...

Shame on you, its time you get used to metric. If you're so lazy to want to convert everything to cup measures. you shouldn't even be baking. Baking is a science where everything should be precise and accurate, not instructions that give 1 cup + 1 tbsp flour. If you want to do it the lazy ass US way, go use a recipe by Paula Deen or something. Its not hard to understand why KT chose to be nasty and sarcastic to some readers. I would have done the same because some of you guys can be really stupid and dimwitted at times.

sharon yap said...

OIC. Bet it was the uneven mixture that caused failure. Noted. Thank you very much, KT.

onlinepastrychef said...

This is a magical, magical cake! A friend of mine shared your video on my wall, and I just had to come over and check this out. I've made Tangzhong bread before and use the technique in many of my breads now. I had just begun playing around with the idea of using the same method for cakes, and then my friend showed me this! I am definitely going to give it a try as per your recipe, and then I want to use it as a thin sponge base for a rolled cake I've got knocking around in my head. Will be interesting to see how that works. Sounds like a lot of precision is necessary for this cake to be successful. I'm looking forward to playing!

mia said...

Can salted butter be used?

Lim Qianyi said...

How many eggs do I have to use to get 105g of 3 gg whites?

IT said...

It all depends on the size of your eggs. Some eggs are 40g and some 70g. Just weigh the egg whites to get the correct amount

Teuksora said...

Fucking selfish. The whole point of starting a blog is because she feels like it. Hell, she doesn't even need a reason to. Whatever it is you can now be sure her reason to start a blog is not to serve idiots like you. If you think her recipes are not helpful enough, go somewhere else or start your own blog. I'd love to be able to bug you with questions like "Can you tell me what an egg looks like?" and then we can talk if you don't appear to be agitated with my question.

KT said...

One tsp flour weighs about 3 g. So you're saying American earthlings measure 33.3 tsp when they want 100 g flour, 66.7 tsp when they want 200 g, and so on and so forth. Wow, um, gee, OK . . . . Do you think the US army could have conquered Afghanistan and Iraq if Americans had used food scales instead of spoons?

April w said...

KT, you r just absolutely Awesome!
xoxo

KT said...

You are banned from posting on my blog.

Showing photos right way up is basic courtesy. When you can't be bothered to rotate your photo, don't bother to upload.

gabriella janice said...

Hi KT, if I want to make Matcha Chiffon Cake, what's the exact measurement to substitute the coconut milk with regular milk? And can I just add the matcha powder to the flour mixture? Any other adjustment?

Kriti Chaudhary said...

Hi...Can i use the same recipe to make green tea cupcakes?

Anon said...

Hi KT! For the next time this happens to you or anyone else, a good resource that is even better than screenshots would be using archive.is or archive.today. It will archive whatever page you're trying to save for that day at that moment and it will prevent people from using excuses or editing when they get caught red handed.

Kriti Chaudhary said...

???

KT said...

Thanks, I'll try your suggestion.

Baking Beauty said...

friendly I don't like this EDITH CHONG so call thief yes I agree she got Attitude problem I saw her in real person ...

Baking Beauty said...

EDITH CHONG so call Thief Finally she is FLAME UP

Catherine Tan said...

Hi KT
I am beginner for baking. I used your receipe but the cake doesn't raise like yours. Turn out the roll if too thin. Why?

Deskarina Mahardhika said...

hi KT, can i subtitute corn oil with vegetable oil or melted butter?
and is it fine if i bake the cake without put cakepan inside larger pan and carboard like your instruction?
(sorry for bad english hehe)

CYN said...

Hi KT,
TQ, its another successful cake adventure. The cake is light and soft.
need more practice on the laying of cream.. ;-(
I had to whip the cream a second time, as 1st attempt was bad (grainy and watery), i guess i was too excited and over-whipped the cream. Maybe i could save that for matcha ice cream instead.
Your recipes are awesome!!! TQ for spending all these effort in experimenting these recipes.

Welly said...

Hi KT, i want to try your recipe.. But may I know for how long I have to bake? Thank you for your answer...

Best regard

Shirley said...

Hi KT,
I did follow your steps, the taste is good. But When it rises up, the upper part of the cake cracks. The cake appearance looks over brown and the texture is half dry half wet. May I know what should I do?
Thank you. :)

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